de Clermont, Widrich 1a

Nom de naissance de Clermont, Widrich
ID Gramps I59930
Genre masculin

Événements

Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Décès avant 1062    
 

Familles

    Famille de de Clermont, Widrich et , Hersende [F08856]
Mariés Femme , Hersende [I53253]
  Enfants
  1. de Clermont, Ermegarde [I36941]

Anecdote

WIDRICH [I] (-[before 1062]). [Comte] [de Clermont]. "Widricus" names "patris mei…Widrici in castello Clarimontis" by charter dated 1062[580]. m ---. The name of Widrich's wife is not known with certainty. However, it is possible that she was Hersende, separated wife of Hildrad [Hezelin] Comte [de Grandpré], daughter of ---, whom he would have married in [1020/25]. The line of argument for this identification is complex and depends on the correctness of several assumptions. Firstly, it is assumed, as explained below, that Giselbert Comte de Clermont was the grandson of Widrich [I]. Secondly, it is assumed that Ermengarde, wife of Gozelon Comte de Montaigu, was the paternal aunt of Giselbert Comte de Clermont, as indicated by the latter´s charter for Cluny dated 1091, quoted below[581]. Thirdly, in a charter dated 1064, "Ermentrudis de Harenzey" donated "allodium…Sumey" to Ardenne Saint-Hubert, for the soul of "mariti mei Gozolonis", with the consent of "filiis meis…Cunone comite Rodulfo Guidone Joanne Henrico et fratribus meis Hezelino comite et Rainaldo et Balduino", by charter dated 1064[582], her brothers being identified as three of the sons of Hildrad [Hezelin] Comte [de Grandpré]. Fourthly, Comte Hildrad´s wife is named in the charter dated 1020, under which "Hildradus cognomento Hescelinus comes" donated property for "Hercendis uxoris mee, Richardi quoque filii mei quem ad clericatus" to Verdun Saint-Vanne[583]. Fifthly, the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium records that "Gerardus episcopus…nepte" was the wife of "Hezelino", and that the couple separated after eight years of marriage[584]. Sixthly, it is assumed that this was the same wife of Comte Hildrad [Hezelin] who is named in the 1020 document (the chronology appears favourable) and that she was the mother not only of Hildrad´s son Richard (named in the 1020document) but alsoof his three sons who are named in the 1064 document. "Hildradus cognomento Hescelinus comes" donated property "Bolruuel" for "Hercendis uxoris mee, Richardi quoque filii mei quem ad clericatus" to Verdun Saint-Vanne by charter dated 1020, subscribed by "Albrici nepotis mei"[585]. It is conceded that the argument is shaky and could fail if any one of these assumptions was incorrect. Nevertheless, it is felt to be a sufficiently interesting possibility to include in the present document. The precise parentage of Hersende is unknown. However, as noted above, her possible relationship to Gérard Bishop of Cambrai, who was the son of Arnaud Seigneur de Florennes, is indicated by the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium which records that "Gerardus episcopus…nepte" was the wife of "Hezelino". Gérard was elected bishop in 1010 but it is unlikely that he was born much earlier than 990, bearing in mind that his mother was the daughter of Godefroi Comte de Verdun whose marriage is dated to [963]. It is therefore probable that "nepte" in Gesta should be translated as a more remote family relationship than "niece": any children ofGerard's brothers and sisters could not have been born earlier than 1005, whereas Hildrad's son Richard (presumably born from his marriage with the bishop's niece) was assigned to be a cleric at Verdun Saint-Vanne in 1020. It is possible that the bishop's relationship with Hersende was through his mother's family, the comtes de Verdun. Widrich [I] & his wife had [three] children

Attributs

Type Valeur Notes Sources
_UID 9015AF6CAA55435887B724EDB886F6BC996A
 

Arbre généalogique

    1. de Clermont, Widrich
      1. , Hersende [I53253]
        1. de Clermont, Ermegarde [I36941]

Références des sources

  1. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [S00008]
      • Page: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20%28LOWER%29%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc369691553
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