Mon arbre généalogique

LETAUD de Marle . The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio"[750]. m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. "Albericus de Cociaco…cum Adela uxore sua et matre eius Mathilde" granted privileges to the monastery of Nogent-sous-Coucy by charter dated 1059[751]. Létaud & his wife had one child

Ebles Ier de Roucy
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Origine familiale [modifier]

La seule certitude concernant sa famille est un document[1] qui le dit frère de :

* Eudes (Odo) de Roucy, dit le Fort († 27 août, après 1021)[2], seigneur de Rumigny.
* Liétaud de Marle, ou Létard, Létald[3].
* Judith qui épousa Manassès II de Rethel, comte de Rethel

Il est traditionnellement considéré comme fils du comte Gislebert de Roucy, son prédécesseur, et de la fille d'un duc d'Aquitaine[4]. Cependant aucune document contemporain ne mentionne une épouse ou des enfants pour Gislebert et d'autre part ce lien n'explique pas tout :

* le prénom de Lietaud renvoie aux comtes de Mâcon,
* celui d'Eudes renvoie aux Robertiens, aux Herbertiens où à la maison de Blois[5].
* les terres de Rumigny et de Coucy appartenaient auparavant à la maison de Blois.

 

Ce sont ces différents points qui ont incité Jean-Noël Mathieu à proposer une nouvelle construction généalogique pour l'ascendance d'Eble de Roucy (voir arbre)

Titre correct :

Ebles Ier, mort en 1033, fut comte de Roucy de 1000 à 1033 et archevêque de Reims de 1021 à 1033.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebles_Ier_de_Roucy

frère d'Ebles de Roucy; sur cette parenté, voir "le procès d'Enguerran de Coucy"
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/bec_0373-6237_1918_num_79_1_448605?_Prescripts_Search_tabs1=standard&

Sur l'hypothèse de Mathieu:
GISELBERT [de Roucy], son of RENAUD Comte [de Roucy] & his wife Alberade de Hainaut ([948/55]-19 Apr [991/1000], maybe 997, bur Abbaye de Saint-Rémy). The Acta Concilii Remensis ad Sanctum Basolum (dated to 991) quotes Bruno Bishop of Langres referring to "unicum fratrem meum comitem Gislebertum…"[737]. Comte de Roucy. Vicomte de Reims. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "XIII Kal Mai" of "Gisbertus comes"[738].
m --- [de Poitiers]. Père Anselme states that the wife of "Gilbert Comte de Reims et de Roucy…semble avoir été de la maison de Poitiers" and that the couple were parents of Ebles, Liétard and Judith, shown below[739]. The primary source on which this is based is not known. However, it is doubtful whether it can be correct in all its details. In particular, Judith Ctss de Rethel (alleged daughter of Gislebert & his wife, see below) must have been born in [1020/30] for chronological consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants, which excludes her being Giselbert's daughter. In addition, the origin of the names Ebles, Liétard and Judith is unclear among the family of Giselbert Comte de Roucy. Jean-Noël Mathieu suggests that Giselbert died childless and that the father of these children was Ebles de Poitou, son of Guillaume IV "Fier-à-Bras" Duke of Aquitaine [Guillaume II Comte de Poitou} & his wife Emma de Blois, based partly on onomastics and partly to explain how the territories of Rumigny-en-Porcéan and Coucy (under the suzerainty, respectively, of the abbey of Saint-Nicaise de Reims and the church of Saint-Rémi de Reims, and thereby closely connected with the family of the Comtes de Blois-Champagne) came into the family[740]. J-N. Mathieu also suggests that the mother of these children was an otherwise unknown daughter of Ermentrude de Roucy, sister of Comte Giselbert, by her first husband Aubry [II] Comte de Macon who, in the ordinary course of events, would have been heiress of Roucy if Giselbert had died childless. The suggestion appears consistent from a chronological point of view. However, more research is needed to establish the original source on which the affiliation from Giselbert is based. Another possibility is that Ebles and Eudes were sons of Giselbert, but that Lietaud and Judith were children born from a second marriage of their mother.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GiselbertRoucydied9911000B

note Philippe: pour l'instant, trop d'incertitude sur les parents