de Creil, Yves L'Ancien 1a

Nom de naissance de Creil, Yves L'Ancien
ID Gramps I07732
Genre masculin
Âge au décès plus de 83 ans

Événements

Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Naissance 922    
 
Décès après 1005    
 

Familles

    Famille de de Creil, Yves L'Ancien et , Godehildis [F03337]
Mariés Femme , Godehildis [I07735]
  Enfants
  1. de Bellême, Hildeburgis [I08309]
  2. de Belesme, Guillaume Ier [I07731]
  3. de Bellême, Godehildis [I07746]

Anecdote

IVES [de Creil] . Guillaume of Jumièges records that Louis IV King of the West Franks, after the death of Richard´s father, marched on Rouen, was received by “Rodulphus et Bernardus atque Anslech totius Normannici ducatus tutores”, and captured Richard, who was taken to Laon but was freed by “Osmundus...consilio cum Yvone patre Willelmi de Belismo” and taken to “Silvanectis” where “Bernardus...comes” protected “nepotem suum Richardum”[10]. If correctly reported, this event must be dated to [942/43]. Orderic Vitalis reports the same event, recording that "Osmundus, pueri pædagogus, per Ivonem de Credolio, regis balistarium" freed the captive[11], but makes no connection with Guillaume de Bellême. Le Prévost suggests that “Credolio” in this passage was Creil near Senlis. Seigneur de Bellême {Mortagne, Orne}, du Saosnais, du Passais et de Sées. "Ivo...in castro meo Bellismo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter[12]. André de Fleury´s Vita Gauzlini records that “Ivo Belesmensis” donated “Magniacum” to Fleury, but that after his death “Willelmus eius filius” reclaimed the property[13]. This passage has been taken in secondary sources as indicating that Ives died after [1005], when Gaucelin became abbot of Fleury. However, it is not evident from the text that Ives made his donation during the abbacy of Gaucelin, rather it may have been the diversion of the property by his son which took place while Gaucelin was abbot. From a chronological point of view, it would be surprising if Ives was still alive in [1005], assuming that the reports of Guillaume de Jumiéges and Orderic Vitalis, quoted above, accurately report his participation in events in [942/43]. [m firstly ---. This first marriage is suggested by the distinction between “soror” and “germana”, terms used by Ives’s son Avesgaud to describe his two sisters in the charter dated [1100] quoted below. Use of both terms in ther same document suggests that a distinction was intended. If that is correct, Avesgaud’s “soror” Hildeburge would have been born from a different marriage of his father, whereas his “germana” Godehildis would have been his full sister. Another possibility is that the two terms were used indiscriminately by the author of the document to add literary variety to his text and were not intended to indicate different meanings.] m [secondly] GODEHILDIS, daughter of ---. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[14]. The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records the installation of [her son] "Avesgaudus, nepos ipsius" as Bishop of Le Mans after the death of "Segenfrido" (in [997])[15]. This suggests that Godehildis may have been the sister of Bishop Seinfrid. Ives & his [first/second] wife had one child

Attributs

Type Valeur Notes Sources
_UID D561F28665A941259EB96B1CCF3468E6517A
 

Arbre généalogique

    1. de Creil, Yves L'Ancien
      1. , Godehildis [I07735]
        1. de Bellême, Hildeburgis [I08309]
        2. de Belesme, Guillaume Ier [I07731]
        3. de Bellême, Godehildis [I07746]

Références des sources

  1. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [S00008]
      • Page: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc384196770
      • Niveau de confiance: Très haut