de Clermont, Renaud II 1a

Nom de naissance de Clermont, Renaud II
ID Gramps I08854
Genre masculin

Événements

Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Décès avant 1162    
 

Parents

Relation avec la souche Nom Relation dans la famille (si différent de la naissance)
Père de Clermont, Hugues Ier [I08856]
Mère de Ramerupt, Marguerite [I08857]
         de Clermont, Renaud II [I08854]
    La sœur (germaine)     de Clermont, Richilde [I50403]
    La sœur (germaine)     de Clermont, Beatrix [I43673]

Familles

    Famille de de Clermont, Renaud II et de Vermandois, Adelaïde [F16396]
Mariés Femme de Vermandois, Adelaïde [I08399]
   
Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Mariage vers 1103    
 
  Enfants
  1. de Clermont, Marguerite [I52096]
    Famille de de Clermont, Renaud II et , Clémence [F03978]
Mariés Femme , Clémence [I38901]
   
Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Mariage vers 1125    
 
  Enfants
  1. de Clermont, Raoul Le Roux [I48989]
  2. de Clermont, Mathilde [I08853]
  3. de Clermont, Simon [I60594]
    Famille de de Clermont, Renaud II et de Bar, Clémence [F08107]
Mariés Femme de Bar, Clémence [I42149]
   
Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Mariage vers 1140    
 
  Enfants
  1. de Clermont, Marguerite [I55221]
  2. de Clermont, Guy [I51902]
  3. de Clermont, Renaud [I51450]
  4. de Clermont, Hugues [I57607]
  5. de Clermont, Gauthier [I57260]
  6. de Clermont, Constance [I57274]

Anecdote

RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt (-before 1162). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guido dictus Qui-non-dormit et Hugo Pauper et comes Rainaldus et sorores eorum" as children of "Hugo comes de Claro-monte" and his wife Marguerite[1544]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Rainaldum" as son of "comiti Hugonis de Claromonte Baluacensi" and his wife Marguerite[1545]. Albert of Aix names "…Reinoldus de civitate Belvatiæ…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[1546]. Albert of Aix records that "…Reinaldus de Belvacio…" fought against the Turks at Dorylæum (1 Jul 1097)[1547]. "Hugo Clarimontis dns" confirmed his donations to the church of Saint-Germer-de-Flay, with the consent of "filiis meis Rainaldo et Guidone", by charter dated to before Nov 1099[1548]. He assumed the title Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] after his first marriage[1549]. "Comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita" consented to a donation to Saint-Leu d’Esserent by charter dated to [1119][1550]. A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[1551]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[1552]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[1553].

m firstly (1103) ADELAIS Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy, widow of HUGUES de France Comte de Vermandois, daughter and heiress of HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais de Valois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte", specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1554]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1555]. "Comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita" consented to a donation to Saint-Leu d’Esserent by charter dated to [1119][1556]. "Clementia" in this charter was presumably an error for "Adelais", considering the date of the charter, unless it is a reference to Renaud’s otherwise unrecorded second wife (assuming that the charter is misdated by a few years).

[m secondly [CLEMENCE], daughter of ---. "Comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita" consented to a donation to Saint-Leu d’Esserent by charter dated to [1119][1557]. It is likely either that this charter is misdated by a few years or "Clementia" in was an error for "Adelais", the name of Comte Renaud’s first wife. Whatever the truth about this charter, there are several indications that this supposed second marriage of Renaud is correct. Firstly, the [sixteen] year period between the death of Comte Renaud's first wife and his marriage to Clémence de Bar suggests that an intermediate marriage is likely. Secondly, the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis does not include Comte Renaud's sons Raoul, Simon and Etienne (who, it is suggested, would have been born from this second marriage) in the list of his sons "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" by his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[1558]. Thirdly, "fratris mei Symon et Stephanus" consented to the donation by "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1162[1559], none of the sons named in the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis being listed as subscribers. Fourthly, the chronology is tight for Comte Renaud’s son Raoul to have been born from his father’s marriage to Clémence de Bar, given the date of his marriage which is estimated to [1152/55]. If this second marriage is correct, it is possible that Comte Renaud's second wife was connected with the family of the Comtes de Dammartin. The reference in the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis to his wife as "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns" is puzzling. As suggested below, it is possible that it results from confusion with Renaud's daughter Mathilde who married Aubry [II] Comte de Dammartin. An alternative possibility is that the author of the Genealogiæconflated Comte Renaud's second andthird wives in this description, although a connection between the supposed second wife and the Dammartin family cannot be explained based on current knowledge of their genealogy. It is possible that Comte Renaud’s second wife was also named Clémence, which would account for the confusion about her identity.]

m [secondly/thirdly] ([1140]) as her first husband, CLEMENCE de Bar, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his second wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to the second wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" as "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[1560], the reference to "comitissam de Dammartin" possibly resulting from confusion with the couple's daughter Mathilde who married Aubry [II] Comte de Dammartin (see below). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[1561]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage and the marriage date of her supposed eldest son in [1153/55]. A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[1562]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[1563]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[1564]. She married secondly Thibaut [III] de Crépy Sire de Nanteuil-le-Hardouin. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified.

Attributs

Type Valeur Notes Sources
_UID E05F555B023D427BB03C37CC4FFF1F2F7684
 

Arbre généalogique

  1. de Clermont, Hugues Ier [I08856]
    1. de Ramerupt, Marguerite [I08857]
      1. de Clermont, Renaud II
        1. de Vermandois, Adelaïde [I08399]
          1. de Clermont, Marguerite [I52096]
        2. , Clémence [I38901]
          1. de Clermont, Raoul Le Roux [I48989]
          2. de Clermont, Mathilde [I08853]
          3. de Clermont, Simon [I60594]
        3. de Bar, Clémence [I42149]
          1. de Clermont, Marguerite [I55221]
          2. de Clermont, Guy [I51902]
          3. de Clermont, Renaud [I51450]
          4. de Clermont, Hugues [I57607]
          5. de Clermont, Gauthier [I57260]
          6. de Clermont, Constance [I57274]
      2. de Clermont, Richilde [I50403]
      3. de Clermont, Beatrix [I43673]

Ascendants

Références des sources

  1. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [S00008]
      • Page: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc319304493
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