de Mondoubleau, Helvise

Nom de naissance de Mondoubleau, Helvise 1a
ID Gramps I53195
Genre féminin
Âge au décès plus d'environ 55 ans, 2 mois, 14 jours

Événements

Événement Date Lieu Description Notes Sources
Naissance vers 1020    
 
Décès après 15/3/1075    
 

Parents

Relation avec la souche Nom Relation dans la famille (si différent de la naissance)
Père de Mondoubleau, Eudes [I38554]
Mère de Montoire, Placentia [I46967]
         de Mondoubleau, Helvise [I53195]
    Le frère (germain)     de Mondoubleau, Hugues [I48628]

Familles

    Famille de de Fréteval, Nivelon et de Mondoubleau, Helvise [F08036]
Mariés Mari de Fréteval, Nivelon [I61162]
  Enfants
  1. de Fréteval, Ilbert [I58818]
    Famille de de Langeais, Hamelin et de Mondoubleau, Helvise [F08041]
Mariés Mari de Langeais, Hamelin [I52538]
  Enfants
  1. de Langeais, Pierre [I57419]

Anecdote

HELVISE [Adriana/Hodierna] de Doubleau ([1020/25]-after 15 Mar 1075). Her parentage and two marriages are confirmed by the charter dated to [1067/74] under which her second husband "Hamelinus de Longiaco, pariterque uxor mea…Helviza, filia Odonis Dublelli" donated "[ecclesiam] Sancte Marie…Tufiacum" to the church of Saint-Vincent du Mans, for the soul of "Hugonis Dublelli minoris filii…Odonis Dublelli" who was buried at Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "filii nostri Wauterii et filie nostre Hersendis, meique privigni…Ilberti qui fuit filius Pagani"[760]. The issue is confused by a charter dated 3 Jun 1040, which records the donation by "Hugo Dublellus archidiaconus et Odo Dublellus frater eius" of "ecclesiam Sancti-Beati" to La Trinité de Vendôme, states that "Hamelinus de Langeia" succeeded as seigneur de Mondoubleau after the death of Hugues, that "eius uxor Adriena, soror Hugonis" wanted to rescind part of the donation, and that "Fredescendis filia Odonis Dublelli uxor Nivelongis Pagani, filii Nivelonis de Carnoto" wanted to rescind the donation after her husband was killed[761]. If this document is correct, Eudes de Mondoubleau had two daughters, "Adriana" married to Hamelin de Langeais and "Fredescendis" married to Nivelon de Fréteval. However, the charter dated to [1067/74] quoted above names a single daughter "Helviza" who was the wife of "Pagani", by whom she had "Ilberti", and secondly of Hamelin. A more remote possibility is that there were two sisters, both of whom married Hamelin in turn. The question is clarified by the charter dated 15 Mar 1075 which records donations by "Hugo filius Odonis Dublelli" and by "Hamelinus de Langeia", with the consent of "Adierna uxor eius, sororis…Hugonis", and states that Hamelin succeeded "in honorem Hugoni" after the death of the latter[762]. This last document clarifies that Hamelin succeeded to Mondoubleau after returning from Rome which, the wording of the charter implies, was a relatively recent event. If that is correct, there is insufficient time for Hamelin to have been married to two sisters, given that the supposed second sister was the mother of Ilbert by her former marriage. The conclusion is therefore that the 3 Jun 1040 charter version of events must be incorrect, that Eudes de Mondoubleau had only one daughter, and that she was referred to as Helvise and Hodierna in different documents. m firstly NIVELON [II] [Paganus] de Fréteval, son of NIVELON [I] Sire de Fréteval & his wife Ermentrude --- (-killed in battle Fréteval before [1042/44]). m secondly (]1040/44]) HAMELIN de Langeais, son of GAUTHIER de Langeais & his wife Hersende --- (-after [1100]). Seigneur de Mondoubleau [1073/74].

Attributs

Type Valeur Notes Sources
_UID FE0713F1299A43548511C597C277FB41CA80
 

Arbre généalogique

  1. de Mondoubleau, Eudes [I38554]
    1. de Montoire, Placentia [I46967]
      1. de Mondoubleau, Helvise
        1. de Fréteval, Nivelon [I61162]
          1. de Fréteval, Ilbert [I58818]
        2. de Langeais, Hamelin [I52538]
          1. de Langeais, Pierre [I57419]
      2. de Mondoubleau, Hugues [I48628]

Ascendants

Références des sources

  1. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [S00008]
      • Page: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#_Toc308371497
      • Niveau de confiance: Très haut